This week, Substantial sits down with Cello for a great interview for the Bedroom Beethovens podcast a show about the “challenges and setbacks that ultimately lead to growth and betterment as we figure out hour 1 of the 10,000 hour journey.”

My guest this week is Stan “Substantial” Robinson, someone who I've been a fan of for many years. The Maryland-born MC and I go deep into the weeds on the philosophy of serving others, hooking up with Nujabes in Shibuya for a month being apart of his musical family, and life as a business owner with his wife. At Substantial Art & Music, LLC they provide design and consulting services to emerging and established artists.